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I'd LOVE to accept Ripley of the Alien franchise, as she's an amazing strong female lead, but the fact she's a mother is throwaway backstory and doesn't inform her continuing life.

No way. Her being a mother was an enormous deal in Aliens (she'd lost her daughter while in hibernation, had nothing to lose, and agreed to go LV-426). She then becomes a parental figure to Newt in a way she might not have (or would have been less meaningful) if she hadn't recently be stripped of her role as a mother.

In Resurrection, she was the primary villain's mother, which was quite a large part of the movie.

Also, it's more horror or supernatural thriller than Sci-Fi, but the main character in The Ring is a mother. Does she count? If so, Rosemary's baby might count as well!

Surely the enormous deal for Ripley is that she is no longer a mother. She feels like Newt might almost be able to make up for the time lost with her own daughter. That she WAS a mother is thrown in as an aside at the beginning (which I think was actually missing from the original theatrical release).

It always annoyed me that she was the only character that connected with Newt - because she's a woman.

In "Resurrection" her description of herself as a mother is not exactly accurate. She's only figuratively given birth to the aliens. Most human beings who become victims of the aliens are (briefly) mothers to the aliens. Ripley is more accurately part-alien, so it's more like she's one of them than their mother. (Though yes, she is figuratively a mother to the aliens since the queen came from her.)

I'd say the protagonist in "The Ring" would definitely count as a mother figure. All through the film the decision of the mother and her ex-husband revolve around what they both need to do for their child, so that is vital to the story and not throw-away. Don't think it's sci-fi. Not sure what counts as speculative fiction. It's only fantasy if fantasy means 'involving the supernatural' rather than 'swords and sorcery'.

Yeah. As much as I love the franchise and Ripley, there are a few instances, iirc, in which her motivation is credited essentially to BECAUSE FEMALE. I feel like with a lesser actor than Weaver it would have been significantly less realistic of a character.

I feel like we can apply a sexy lamp or gender twist sort of logic here in that if the fact she is a mother was removes would that change the story in any way? And I don't think it would. It'd be easy to insert a similar motivation initially and I feel like they'd simply chalk it up to female behaviour in general with her protection of newt. She behaves in a very similar way about the cat after all. HOWEVER, I am speaking from a platform built on shitty memory and this seems like a brilliant excuse for rewatching.

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